S.D.Allen wrote:
>
> While not a direct answer to your question; I'd try Picassa. It offers a lot
> of what Lightroom does for free, and since you're not a professional you may
> like it a lot better, than PSE. The $ is easier in these times when everyone
> is "pinching a penny".

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried picasa a few years ago, and while
some of its functions were better than PSE (notably scrolling through
the library of thumbnails quickly), I remember being disappointed by
it's organizational abilities. I really find the
keywording/categorization in PSE to be unmatched in anything else I've
come across so far. Which is strange, because it's *sooo simple*.
Perhaps this is one of those cases where making something appear simple
and user-friendly is actually somewhat difficult. Hard for me to
believe, but then why else wouldn't anyone else develop it?

S.D.Allen wrote:
>
> 2 years is a long time when one is talking about Software development. The
> recent version of Picassa is quite sophisticated and also includes tech like
> facial recognition (direct result of Google buying the best of breed
> software when they purchased the leading software manufacturer of such software).
>
> I think you'll be impressed with the improvements from 2 years ago. 8-D

Thanks Steve. As I'm a bit hesitant to install more apps unless I know
I want them... Does Picasa now have hierarchical labels? I've found
that's the biggest missing feature in most photo apps. I think Picasa
also used to have a problem with writing/syncing those tags to the EXIF
info. PSE does a better job of that, I think, or at least used to.

This is all difficult info to find. Google has very sparse info on
their products online.

allie

S.D.Allen wrote:
> You've got to be kidding. LOL
>
> http://picasa.google.com/support/bin...y?answer=93773

I found that page, thanks, and all the other pages talking about labels
and albums, but it doesn't address the question I'm asking. I spent
perhaps 1/2 hour searching, but could find no answer to the question:
does picasa 3 support *hierarchical*
tags/labels/albums/keywords/whatever-you-want-to-call-them? And will it
sync them to the EXIF info in the photos?

> There's also a terrific extension for Firefox; _Fireuploader_ that one
> can use to bulk upload to a Picassa Online Album site and a few other
> sites like YouTube.
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4724>

I just open picasa in IE and upload via activex. Re: downloading from
picasa, i recommend this method:
http://fredericiana.com/2008/09/21/d...talling-picasa

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:06:31 -0500, Allie wrote:

> what I do find curious is the reluctance to actually answer
> the question.

I think the problem with getting an answer is that very few Photoshop
owners use Picasa. So you are getting the predicted group bonding chest
pounding instead.

For an actual answer to your question, you'd be better off searching,
and/or asking in the Picasa help forum:
http://groups.google.com/group/Picasa/about
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:55:25 -0400, S.D.Allen wrote:

> Nope not chest pounding Curvmeister,
Oh. My mistake.

> ... just giving a "grasshopper".
Watch a Kung-fu episode sometime, and note the tone of the master when he
is instructing. He is always matter of fact and affirming, pointing out a
new direction for discovery, and never belittling or demeaning. It's also
significant that the grasshopper has adopted the role of student
voluntarily, granting the master the right to instruct.

None of this is this applies in this case. Asking a straight up question
about a program feature does not make you their instructor. It is not an
invitation to criticize a person's right to ask a question, instruct them
on how to use a search engine to look for an obscure feature, or tell them
to do things differently in any way. It's a request for information,
nothing more.

If it is your moment, and the fluttering leaf of enlightment is your gift
to give, then help. Otherwise remain silent as the limpid pools of Angkor,
for it is not your moment.

Now back to our regular program, maybe.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:47:28 +0200, Dave <dave@durbs.sa> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:06:31 -0500, Allie <als_trash@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>S.D.Allen wrote:
>>> It takes ONLY a few minutes to install and then uninstall an application
>>> like this.
>>
>>It takes just a few minutes to install and uninstall. It takes just a
>>few days or more to reinstall your entire system after too many "quick
>>installs just to find out" operations.
>>
>
>It should take 15 minutes. Not days but minutes. In fact, I renewed my
>entire system twice since yesterday, and that is the time it took. Lay
>out the time, money and effort NEVER to run your system without a
>backup system.
>My favorite is Norton Ghost and it is always installed on my PC.
>What I am telling you here will chance your complete PC life for the
>better, don't ignore it.
>
>Then, before (re)installing an image, you (can) test all the aps under
>question:-)
>
>Dave

'chance'... should have been 'change'. I assume that is obvious:-)

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:37:51 -0500, Allie <als_trash@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:06:31 -0500, Allie <als_trash@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> S.D.Allen wrote:
>>>> It takes ONLY a few minutes to install and then uninstall an application
>>>> like this.
>>> It takes just a few minutes to install and uninstall. It takes just a
>>> few days or more to reinstall your entire system after too many "quick
>>> installs just to find out" operations.
>>>
>>
>> It should take 15 minutes. Not days but minutes. In fact, I renewed my
>> entire system twice since yesterday, and that is the time it took. Lay
>> out the time, money and effort NEVER to run your system without a
>> backup system.
>> My favorite is Norton Ghost and it is always installed on my PC.
>> What I am telling you here will chance your complete PC life for the
>> better, don't ignore it.
>>
>> Then, before (re)installing an image, you (can) test all the aps under
>> question:-)
>
>That's a nice idea, Dave. I've been looking around for "sandboxes"
>where I can cleanly install and uninstall apps, even if they have
>viruses or malicious code, but perhaps taking an image first is the way
>to go. Still, somehow, the idea of completely rolling my system back on
>a regular basis seems scary. Have you ever run into any problems?
>
>allie

Never Allie, never picked up any problems. Fact is, I do use NOD32,
but never really worries about viruses either. Single days ago I
visited real dark alleys and was attacked by numerous Trojans.
I smiled, reinstalled an image, and a quarter of an hour later my
smile broadened when reading you saying:
>It takes just a few days or more to reinstall your entire system
>after too many "quick installs just to find out" operations.

Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:37:51 -0500, Allie <als_trash@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Dave wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:06:31 -0500, Allie <als_trash@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> S.D.Allen wrote:

>>>>> It takes ONLY a few minutes to install and then uninstall an
>>>>> application like this.
>>>> It takes just a few minutes to install and uninstall. It takes just a
>>>> few days or more to reinstall your entire system after too many "quick
>>>> installs just to find out" operations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It should take 15 minutes. Not days but minutes. In fact, I renewed my
>>> entire system twice since yesterday, and that is the time it took. Lay
>>> out the time, money and effort NEVER to run your system without a
>>> backup system.
>>> My favorite is Norton Ghost and it is always installed on my PC.
>>> What I am telling you here will chance your complete PC life for the
>>> better, don't ignore it.
>>>
>>> Then, before (re)installing an image, you (can) test all the aps under
>>> question:-)
>>
>>That's a nice idea, Dave. I've been looking around for "sandboxes"
>>where I can cleanly install and uninstall apps, even if they have
>>viruses or malicious code, but perhaps taking an image first is the way
>>to go. Still, somehow, the idea of completely rolling my system back on
>>a regular basis seems scary. Have you ever run into any problems?
>
> Never Allie, never picked up any problems. Fact is, I do use NOD32,
> but never really worries about viruses either. Single days ago I
> visited real dark alleys and was attacked by numerous Trojans.
> I smiled, reinstalled an image, and a quarter of an hour later my
> smile broadened when reading you saying:
>>It takes just a few days or more to reinstall your entire system
>>after too many "quick installs just to find out" operations.

Hopefully you never pick up one of the more diabolical rootkit virii. Your
smile may fade...

--
dvus